Saturday, June 22, 2013

Crazy lunch with a crazy man

 Had lunch today with a tea bagger in his early 70's, owned a business for years. Racist as the day is long. We went round and round at lunch, and the old boy bout poped a blood vessel in his neck, man he got pissed off when I confronted his Fox Limbaugh bullshit.  He went off on mexicans on welfare, when I told him emigrants start businesses at a higher rate than the natives, which is true throughout history the new guys are the ones that start most the businesses, he went nuts, can't be true he says they are welfare tit suckers, but I stuck with it because I am right and I can prove it.  They are driving down wages, ruining this country he said.  A few minutes later he was talking about manufacturing was being ruined cause we can't compete, our wages are too high.  I had his ass in a sling.  Make up your mind, either our wages are too low or too high, either the cause is greedy workers or mexicans working cheap you can't have it both ways.  Man he was pissed that I caught him.   But, off to another issue, Obama is a Muslim, no he's fucking not.  The EPA won't let people in Southern Missouri build fences or houses or even tear down a barn, you can't get permits, the EPA took over.  Bullshit I said I'll get on line at a county in south Missouri and see if there are any building permits being approved, he got mad again bout went red head on me, not he says it's true, nope I don't believe the EPA has the red necks of Missouri by the balls no sir-e.  And on we went.  At one point he predicted within a couple months the "patriots" will kill 30 senators and then god damn it will change.   Then he gets on gun control and says were just around the corner from a Hitler takeover, as soon as they take our guns then they start killing us, gun control was the method used by Hitler Stalin Pol Pot Mao, nope I said Hitler didn't get power by taking guns he won a motherfucking election and lots of people liked what he was doing cause they were plenty of fucking racist.  No no he said read your history your not reading history, I said fine I will read it this afternoon and not on a fucking NRA site but multiple history sites to get the real story, then he starts quoting Hitler, fuckers got it memorized, the quote I found below and another that Hitler was to have said in a speech that if public doesn't turn in their guns in 3 days they will hang them and their family all.  I told him John, how the hell can you get out of bed in the morning if you live in a world like this, there is no hope you can win if you live believing all this fantasy,  this is paranoia, your depressing god damn depressing.  Well that startled him and he did get a bit less worked up as we talked further, but wow what a fucking lunch.  So I come home, and research in some books and internet and sent it to him, a few hours pass and he emails me, never mentions what I sent, but it's a fucking recording of a rant by some Christian dude claiming Muslims will take over by out breeding us and lets hate hate hate them.  I shoot back an email that our only chance was to bring in Mexican Catholics to compete, do I have some fucking friends here or what?
........letter to lunch buddy.....


The totalitarian regime of Hitler in 1938 passed the German Weapons Act which eased (except for Jews) the gun laws in place since the late 1920's.
The main provisions:
*Guns could only be owned by citizens of Germany.  Jews by about that time had already had their citizenship revoked, the law applied to ammunition as well. Jews were also forbidden to manufacturing or deal in firearms and ammunition.
*As in the post WWI law this law requiring gun manufacturers and dealers to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the S/N, these records were due to the police at the end of each calendar year.  
Changes easing the earlier laws were:
*The legal age to purchase (not to hunt or practice but purchase) a gun was lowered from 20 to 18.
*Gun permit was now valid for three years, increased from one.
*Permit acquisition was expanded and speeded for: holders of annual hunting permits, government employees, NAZI's, employees of Germans Railways.



Later in 1938 an additional law was passed with the single provision which deprived "all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons", thus almost anything could be deemed a weapon if held by a Jew.
Today German gun laws prohibit ownership by those: convicted of crime, with record of mental issues, deemed unreliable due to drugs alcohol addiction or history of aggression.  Training class is required to get a weapon, you must show you can handle it, permits are specific to different types of guns. 
The idea that the Jews, if they could have kept their pistols and shotguns could have prevented or fought off the Nazis pretends that they could have done what it took 30+ millions dead on that continent to do with tanks and airplanes.   
  
The quote attributed to Hitler and sometimes claimed to be from 1935.: "This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" No recording and no transcript of a Hitler speech is known to exist proving this.  It seems out of place in the language of the 1930's Germany for the term "full gun registration" to be used, rather it is clearly a term of much political weight and freight in todays discussion of guns in the US.   The guns taken by Hitler were from Jews, the laws for the rest were actually relaxed which and helped Hitlers standing since the laws and restrictions placed on Germany following defeat in WWI was hated by the public.


As for gun control in Russia, I looked into that, Russia was a place of extreme concentrated wealth and massive poverty, the few monarchy types and millions and millions of peasants with no middle class.  Few peasants owned guns, they couldn't have afforded it, guns were not made for mass consumption at low prices as now.  Stalin unleashed pure terror following the killing of his #2 man, (can't remember the name now), it is pretty sure #2 was killed on Stalin's orders, using it as an excuse he set in motion a complete extermination plan for his enemies and the farmers in much of Russia were on his enemies list for variety of reasons ethnic and economic.  Rather than gather weapons it was the opposite, Stalin flooded weapons to tough guys and thugs and so called patriots police types in a reign of terror that was massive widespread and little more than a civil war on a population that had already seen destruction during the revolution.   But this was nothing like that, it was far more violent, millions were killed or driven to exposure and starvation.  When Hitler attacked he emptied the prisons, gave the former enemies weapons and sent them against the Nazi, those that survived were put back in prison or shot on their first mis-step following the war.  There appears not to be a gun control policy like what the American people are talking about at the moment that caused the Russian revolution or  Stalin's hellish killing spree.

For Pol Pot he put in place one gun law.  It said Vietnamese cannot sell guns, or move them around.  Guns were in short supply, even Pol Pot's soldiers had very few at the start of their take over, they struggled the entire regime's time to get weapons.  The nation was a poor casual and polite society of gardening, small farms and crafts, they ate little meat so even guns for hunting was of little interest to the populace.  Gun control existed there naturally, Pol Pot did not implement it.

Mussolini spoke often and threatened all kinds of gun controls.  None, not one was ever put in place.

I can't find anything about China, but I suspect there were so few guns in China that if Mao collected them it didn't matter much, and at the moment I don't care, this is enough research.

Enjoyed lunch!

16 comments:

  1. Darrel,
    The Khmer Rouge (Cambodian Reds) got arms from either North Vietnam or China - Pol Pot's guys had AK-47s, RPG-7s, mortars, 122 rockets - You name it! That is how they ran the loyalist government ran by what was said to be "the faggot prince" out of of power with the capture of Phnom Pehn in late March or early April '75.
    The airport was taking fire daily and the USAF suspended the airlift mission into Phnom Pehn because of the hazards. I think the last bird in
    and out was a stretch 8 from World - and it landed emergency at U-Tapao with battle damage -
    a mortar round went off under a wing while they were on the ground. The 8 used the whole runway landing and needed a tow.


    Sarge

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    1. Yes, they got arms from others, the country was not a nation of guns, as I said, gun control there was organic,, it wasn't planned or imposed. But, Pol Pot had his predjuices, a minority or nationality he disliked, the Vietnamese, and they were forbidden certain actions by him.

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    2. True,
      The Cambodians (and the Thais) have no love at all for the Vietnamese. We knew about Pol Pot when his group was still up in the jungle along the Laotian -Vietnamese border - Should have taken his ass out with a air strike back then - Couldn't have saved a lot of Khmer lives.

      Ron

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  2. The things that people who watch FOX believe is mind boggling. I'd laugh if their stupidity wasn't so appalling.

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    1. It's a formidable distribution system for those who live in constant fear and dreams of a revolution that will turn out just the way they want it.

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  3. Here are my thoughts on guns - Now, this is about handguns and military type assault weapons - Not, my Dad's old double barrel or my Remington 1100. First off, nobody (including Obama) is out to take away your guns. And, you militia mothers can stand down - the police and the Guard are on the job.
    I want background checks on everyone buying a firearm -wherever they buy it, a ban on assault weapons, and high capacity magazines. Now, there is nothing that I just wrote that is too extreme.

    One simple question - How many gun related multiple shootings have we had in America since New Town?


    Sarge

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    1. Here's an even simpler one: How many non gun related multiple shootings have we ever had? Point being that yes, it IS about the guns.)

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    2. NAC, If we don't count water guns, I can't think of any lately.

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  4. I suggest you eat at a different diner, or at least spend a few minutes considering your company before committing to join a prick like that for lunch. Life is too short to spend with miserable company, and THAT guy sounds completely unhinged with stupid.

    Of course, I'm one of those low-information voters Limbaugh rails about to people like your teabaggy friend.

    Like I keep saying, we've got a lot of dying to do before we ever outgrow the ignorance in this country... and the wrong people are having all the babies.

    The gene pool needs more chlorine.

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    1. Squatlo, it's worse than that, the pool then needs filled with clay.

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  5. I have a cousin like that and when I was still communicating with him I told him I refuse to live my life scared shitless!! Once he was talking about terrorist attacks and I asked why would anyone in some little podunk town worry about terrorist attacks when there is so few people in the town?? He said if they attacked twenty places at once that would terrorize people. Yeah, Right!! But when he forwarded me an e-mail implying that Gabby Giffords deserved to be shot because she "dissed" Gen. Petraeus by asking him what the military was doing about using alternative energy in Afghanistan so they don't need to haul as much fuel over dangerous routes for the generators. That was the last straw, I called him a "Fucking Idiot" and blocked all future e-mails from him.

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    1. Kukkuri, That is so strange about the Gabby story. A couple weeks before she was shot he said that some in DC should be shot. I called him after the shooting and ask him if he was satisfied, he denied he had ever said such a thing, but I told him that was not true and he knew it. At any rate, I don't expect to have as much contact with him as before, but I am absolutley surrounded with people like this here, it's pretty intense.

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  6. Fyi, cornerstone of Leninism - Arm the poor

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  7. Never enter a conversation that is actually a lecture. This person didn't care about your views (they never do), he just wanted to convince you to be as crazy as he.

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    1. Well I get into a few of these lecture situations, hard to avoid in this severe red and elderly state. I have to go out and test them from time to time, hone my own skills.

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